The way I figure is they use robots in approx 30-40% of the games. All that is necessary is a win every hour. This multiplies to 24 wins per table per day times # of tables at the site. This could easily equate to 3/4 million in added earnings annually without the remotest possibility of detection. I am virtually positive they use this tactic. It is just a computer program and any college kid could do it. I have seen things done with these computers that are amazing.If you playing online poker be very careful. Watch when you start losing incredible hands with spectacular hands yourself......Rigged just like all the online blackjack...What a f...con game.....These offshore online casinos are unregulated and if you think in any way shape or form you are getting a square deal you are a fool. Quote ME!!!!
Not just the sites are using "bots" dickey. There are thousands of players out there that are running "winholdem" and "pokerbot". 2 of the more popular player programs. Some guys will play 10 tables at a time and the "bot" is a lot quicker at making decisions than we could so more tables even if you only take in a couple of good big blinds an hour, there is money to be made a big limit tables
Well, sheesh, I don't know. I deposited 100$ in Party Poker 15 months ago. Playing part time, and not playing at all for a couple of months, I've run it up to 12000$ (prolly 2500$ in bonus whoring and a good chunk of it from tournament victories/final tables). Bad beats happen, but when somebody chats back at me about the hand they just sucked out on, I kinda think it's a real person, not a bot. What are these "Winholdem" and "Pokerbot" programs? Is their a website for them? If there are bots out there, they're just as mediocre as the majority of online players, and they pay me off just the same, lol.
Most Winholdem Players are losing money, go to the thier forums and see for yourself. Also they are only playing .5/$1, some are trying 3/6, but 90% are losing money right. Also Party/Empire closed a bunch of accounts that were using this and they are working hard to detect more. A bot can't play 15/30 or 10/20, at least none from the 2 places you mentioned, it is possible that a few people have created superbots that they use themselves, but the commercial bots you are talking about are junk.
Also the big sites arent running bots, but I do know of one site running bots, cryptalogic or something like that I think is its name.
Also the big sites arent running bots, but I do know of one site running bots, cryptalogic or something like that I think is its name.
Playing against bots would be wonderful. They play only by statistical probability. They don't go on tilt, they don't bluff, they don't vary their style of play. They only play strong hands. A bot will always lose to a skilled player in hold'em. They reduce poker to a game of statistics and its really a game of statistics and people. Knowing when to bet passively and when to be aggressive and WHO to be aggressive against varies by the game and players. Thats the art of poker. They were set up to take advantage of weak play but there always seems to be a live player or two who is in a much better position to take advantage of this.
Plus some of the play at the tables is so bad there is a definite art to winning. People and bots programmed to play at 15/30 against good players will lose at .50/1 to bad players. Strange as it seems holdem at a live 25/50 game totally different from a .50/1 online game. Just like NL is different from limit. They are ALL distinct games.
Plus some of the play at the tables is so bad there is a definite art to winning. People and bots programmed to play at 15/30 against good players will lose at .50/1 to bad players. Strange as it seems holdem at a live 25/50 game totally different from a .50/1 online game. Just like NL is different from limit. They are ALL distinct games.
I'm not concerned about bots. I'm concerned some rogue programmer hiding some code that allows certian players to see other players' cards face up... or dealt great cards more often. Do 'regulators' in Costa Rica and such places go through the software code line by line to ensure intgrity? I doubt it. I doubt that the many site owners even know for sure. There just seems to be way too much of an opportunity for corruption, and when that's always in the back of your head, even if it doesn't exist, it can seriously effect your play. I prefer to play in person only.
Personally I would love to play against bots. Just think ... it will always raise preflop with a strong hand. It will always raise a strong hand against a backdoor straight or flush. It will generally fold a weak to medium hand to a check raise. Very predictable and thats the worst kind of poker player.
What I would like is a bot that just folded hands for me that were not worth playing and signalled me when I had one worth playing or worth considering to play. That would be handy. But I certainly wouldn't want to let the thing play for me.
What I would like is a bot that just folded hands for me that were not worth playing and signalled me when I had one worth playing or worth considering to play. That would be handy. But I certainly wouldn't want to let the thing play for me.
Im not sure this is true for the top poker sites, which are the only ones I will play online. www.pokerlistings.com is the best website for poker room ratings... I dont agree that most poker rooms have bots, but Im sure that the online sportsbooks like SportsInterAction who offer poker on the side probably do. I suggest checking out pokerlistings because they offer full reviews for a ton of poker rooms...
mikel:mikel said:
I share your concern about the offshore places not being regulated. However the "legitimate" places like Party and others would stand to lose a lot if too many players felt that the games were crooked.
Besides, it's harder to detect collusion in a brick casino if you have 3 or 4 players playing together. All they would have to do is lay their cards a certain way depending on the strength of their hand and the others would take note and bet accordingly.
